Your ABIT KT7-RAID review genereted a lot of noise , as it was the only negative review about this mobo.

Since it is considered the best SocketA board by most people it is a good idea to do a "ABIT KT7-RAID Revisited" review.

Note, that it currently ships as ABIT KT7A-RAID with a new northbridge (133FSB), which only makes such a review more interesting!

Prog.

Hmm, interesting request, I like the idea :-) I'll talk to Jonny about it, either I'll let you know by replying again, or he'll just reply himself...

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The Abit RMA rate has only improved marginally. It is still the highest RMA rate for a motherboard I've seen. Today alone I had four confirmed dead boards.

The reason why our "review" was the only negative one was because all of the other review sites obtained pretested sample boards from Abit themselves. My samples were pulled from a typical store inventory.

Due to the non-constructive critisism and personal attacks I received from the children that read that review, I will not do any Abit reviews until they improve GREATLY on their quality control.

Thanks for the suggestion though!

jonny


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You know... im surprised anyone bothers to review any product anymore... I frequent a lot of computer pages, whether out of genuine interest or simple morbid curiosity. Simply trying to keep abreast of the industry to satisfy your own needs is difficult enough. But as I'm sure many of you are aware between being asked for advice on what components to buy, which is better AMD or Intel /me deftly untwists top on can-of-worms it's enought to make you wanna quit this whole friggen game. Because game it is. Especially when reviews of product are not met with simple logical followup questions but absolute ridicule and attacks on the reviewee is that a word?

It's a refreshing change of pace to see 1 or 2 actuall questions or constructive comments after a product review that goes against the "norm". People working in the industry for over 10 minutes, that know anything should be able to fathom that different configurations produce different results. Not only that, but just because product "X" is extremely trendy to review well, or even recommend buying doesn't mean that said product is really the right product for the given situation. It blows my mind that "techs" who claim to be experienced or in the know constantly (when i say tech i mean self styled computer geek/technician) now before everyone gets all huffy at me yes i am a computer geek too. I do techwork for family and friends and I've worked in the computer industry in varied capacity, and if there's one thing i've learned it's that there's always someone who's had more experience and knows a little bit more then you thought you did. Whoops where was I? oh yeah techs jump at the chance to berate and expose the perceived foibles of a review on the basis that it doesn't correspond with their own "experience" like everyone MUST have the same time with product X as they did... sheesh. It's techs like that, which give the majority of you and I bad names, as well as propogate uninformed and illconveived misconceptions. (/me wipes forehead after use of long words... )

So in conclusion please have the decency to think a little before posting that scathing retort condemning the review as "bunk" and implying a lack of intelligence on the part of the reviewer simply because it differs from you're perceived "known facts".

Now, I appologize for the length/content/spelling/grammar of this posting (read: usin mIRC too much = makes meat out of proper typing skills ) but it's something that seems to be happening more and more often with a greater degree of abuse, and frankly pisses me right off

Here's a "Keep up the good work Guys!" and try and ignore the uncalled for abuse leveled at ye by unforgiving and sometimes... oftimes... umm misinformed public.

But hey that's my opinion.. what do i know?

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Who let ma Moose out! Huaaannnngnggnggg :P

[This message has been edited by RabidDeathMoose (edited 01-23-2001).]

Geezus H that's a long post

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Who let ma Moose out! Huaaannnngnggnggg :P

The bottom line remains- the most respectable sites like Tom's Hardware and Anandtech, to name but a few, absolutly loved the board, having no quality issues at all.

Systemlogic.net, on the other hand had an nothing but trouble.

By the way, a local computer vendor told me that the board has a lower RMA rate than the Asus A7V, so maybe a shootout review between the two is in place.

Now that the board has been revised with new components, you have an issue that's a hit counter buster.

jonnyGURU, non-constructive critisism and personal attacks are best ignored, there are still plenty of quality readers and posters out there that want the goods- original reviews and articles about hot subjects.

It is best that you think again about the idea,
Maybe even contact Abit, let them to make sure that it all goes according to the book.
This will deter people who said that the review was not performed professionaly.
Consider a different supplier for the board, it may prove your point, whatever it turns out to be.

Imagine, an Abit approved review of actual store shelf boards, that could be nice!

Thanks,

Prog.


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"hit counter buster"

"The bottom line remains- the most respectable sites like Tom's Hardware and Anandtech, to name but a few, absolutly loved the board, having no quality issues at all."

Because they were all handed their motherboards on a silver platter by Abit. Abit is not going to ship a bad board to a review site.

As for the shop that has a lower RMA rate on Abit then Asus.... how many are they selling? Yesterday alone I got 4 Abits back that were completely DEAD. I only had two bad Asus boards. We sell the same quantity of each.

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Just as a side note here... This rant was by no means directed at you Prognathous. Nor was it because you asked for a re evaluation (a perfectly good question under the circumstances) moreover it was directed at the illinformed "My personal opinion = the only opinion" crayon eaters that tend to frequent many hardware/computer sites.

Just thought I'd clear that up in case someone got steamed and decided to hax0r me

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Who let ma Moose out! Huaaannnngnggnggg :P

First, RabidDeathMoose, I wasn't for a sec. questioning the integrity of the review/er.
On the contrary, I was about to buy the board but postponed it because I always look for the cons rather than the pros.
The review was an interesting lead.

jonnyGURU, the idea was to keep using actual store shelf boards, maybe a different supplier, but that's it!
I wasn't talking about getting one directly from Abit, just suggested that the company approve the testing methods and installation.

If they decline, post it, declare them as cowards.
If the boards turn out to be a sack of lemons, so be it, that is reality, come hell or high water. Forget the lamers who can't face the truth.

But a second chance is in place.

just my 2 cents.

Prog.

well said

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It was only one review. I dont think that anyone who is going to buy a new mobo will read one review and make up there mind from there. They will do more research and look at what other people have to say about the product also and go from there. There is always a chance that you will get a defective product because nothing is ever 100% perfect. We all make mistakes. It dont matter what brand product you buy "there will be defects". Some have more then others but its still a gamble. I like the KT7s because of the memory bandwith advantage over the other boards so its worth it to me to take the gamble on KT7s. The good thing about the different reviews is that it opens your eyes to potential problems that you should look for when you get your system together.

It is one review, and not only do people not base their buying decision on one review, nor should they, they should not base their buying decision on a bunch of reviews that are based on cherry picked motherboards, hand delivered from Taiwan that AREN'T true representatives of actualy store shelf product.

At my work, near the end of the KT7 craze, the RMA dropped a great deal. Only 4%, which is still high, but acceptable. Then suddenly, a good deal of the boards we had put out on the street came back either dead or flaking out in some aspect. This bumped the RMA rate back up to 8-9%. Because of this, I am proud to announce that we have COMPLETELY discontinued carrying any Abit product of any kind.

If you only make 15% markup on a motherboard, a 15% RMA rate eats ALL of your profit and that does not take into consideration overhead for techs to test the product, shippers to ship out replacement product and an RMA person to process the RMA. A company would be foolish to think they could survive selling this garbage. If you make more money on a board by making a higher profit margin or because you actaully integrate the boards and include labor as part of your final price, then I'm sure it can be justified.




regards,
jon

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