ok here is the problem that i have right now, i am shoping for a new processor for an amd chip, the question that i have is the amd xp chips worth the money and what make them better than the Athlon other than speed, do they really work better with Win XP

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They run cooler, have newer design. I'll look up a site is was at that answers your question, gotta go now. I'll post it back here.

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Yeah, would be much appreciated, I am truly out of it

I've got no clue what happened about the AMD new naming system. Any info would be much appreciated

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Here's the lowdown since I never got around to writing my article on it....

It now has full SSE (SSE one) support.

It has a larger Translation Lookaside Buffer. Without getting into the gory details, this means the processor finds the information in main memory faster if it has cached the translation of the memory address.

It runs cooler.

Has an on-chip thermal diode.

It has hardware prefetch (prefetch into the L1 cache)

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So far, I know this (keep in mind that I have no real expertise in this area, info MAY be wrong):

- The Athlon XP processors currently start at 1.4 GHz, and increment slowly to 1.6 GHz.
- The Athlon XP processors use a "Model" naming convention, to combat Intel's high-speed/low-performance strategy. Basically, an Athlon XP 1900+ CPU performs about the same (according to AMD) as an Intel P4 1900 MHz CPU. All XP processors use this convention.
- The Athlon XP processors run cooler than regular Athlon processors.
- The Athlon XP processors have a new design (but as far as I know, they still use Socket A).
- The Athlon XP processors now include an on-die thermal sensor, for triggering auto-shutdown when high temperatures are reached (I'm not sure if this was a feature of the older Athlon processors, but it may very well be. These thermal sensors don't work in conjunction with current Socket A boards, and require special motherboards (read: new motherboards) in order to utilize the auto-off heat safety feature).
- Athlon XP processors are a good bit more expensive than regular Athlon processors (duh, they're new, ).
- I've heard rumors/read reviews that say the Athlon XP processors do infact run faster in Windows XP. Frankly, I think this isn't limited to Athlon XP processors. Most games receive a 5-10 FPS boost from Windows XP alone, so this is likely a double-hype situation (the unfamiliarities of Windows XP, and its hype, lead people to believe that Athlon XP, along with its unfamiliarities, and its hype, will run much faster when utilizing it). Although games may not be the best benchmark for speed improvement due to OS upgrade, IMHO, they are the clearest. People probably think that new technology (Athlon XP) coupled with other new technology (Windows XP, and don't forget that they're both called 'XP') produces even greater "new technology". It's likely false, but hoping never hurt anyone!

Meh...that's my bit. I hope I helped, even if some (or all) of my facts are unclear. This WE ALL can be 100% sure of though: The Athlon XP is the best home/power user processor on the market today. Period.

Oooh, sounds neat.

But what about the whole controversy on the XP1800+ kind of stuff ? I understood that it's not the actual MHz speed of the chip, but where the heck is that number from ?

[EDIT] : Thanks UnReBorn, summed it up nicely. One problem left, I crave money now !!!

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UNREBORN

so what you guys are saying is that the processer is pound for pound worth the money ??? i know cooler is better, but then i have to think about a heater for my office.... ,

question how over clockable is the new bread ???
not like i am going to do it, but it gives me an idea on how stable the chip is ....

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Everything Paul said is correct. At this point, Athlon XP's aren't so much more expensive than regular Athlon(Thunderbird) CPU's as to be a bad buy, and in fact, are a better choice. The cache changes alone represent a significant performance increase when comparing an Athlon 1.4GHz to an Athlon XP 1600+ (which is a 1.4GHz chip). They do run cooler (My 1600+ runs great with my original Alpha PAL-6035 and YSTech 28CFM fan) when compared to earlier chips, although just as with the earlier ones, if you don't get your cooler mounted right, you'll fry it. I don't know of any boards that currently support the internal CPU thermal diode (I heard that the new Shuttle AK35GT/AK35GTR ones do, but the press release isn't entirely clear on their site, the board does look cool so I hope it does).
Personally, I think the Athlon XP is currently the best bang-for-the-buck choice, the 1600+ being a good choice if you're on a budget, as I am. There's no current P4 motherboard chipsets that make me want to go Intel (maybe next-gen SiS or VIA) and the CPU's are quite expensive, without providing much extra performance for what I use my machine for (and sometimes not equalling up). On the plus side, the thermal-diode on the P4 is already supported by most mainboards for it, and the heat-spreader setup makes it easier to mount a HSF on the chip and keep it cooler (and the chip dissapates less heat to begin with). Hope this helps.

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Me I have Windows XP Pro (Yes, I like It), One of these days I'll just have to bite the bullet and get a New CPU (Athlon XP 2800+) and a Motherboard (Epox 8k5a3+) to upgrade from My current system which uses a K6-3+ cpu (475Mhz is stock) @ 550Mhz on a Gigabyte ga-5ax r5.2 motherboard. I know It isn't even close to being as fast the systems mentioned here, But Hey I'm broke. Although that might change soon hopefully. I'm thinking about water cooling My next motherboard though, But then I like overclocking. My AOpen GeForce2 MX is overclocked to 235/215Mhz(240Mhz is max for the GPU though) with ramsinks and Artic Silver 2 between the stock heatsink and the GPU (Stock is 175/166Mhz).

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